Hitting the beach as our early day activity. Its sort of a science laboratory for the kids; the sand/rocks/seashells/seaweed...
okay...so God's fav colos must be beige green and blue?
"I’m unaware of any Eastern Orthodox sources which expect or encourage Orthodox Christians who struggle with SSA (same sex attraction) to undergo counseling for the purpose of re-orientation. The Orthodox faith does not teach us that God created us to be heterosexual, he created us to be chaste. For some this means a life without sexual relations, and for some this means a life of sexual relations with exactly one person through the sacrament of marriage. Thus, if one is not one of the latter, then one is of the former and it doesn’t especially matter if your struggle to live a chaste life means battling SSA or battling heterosexual lusts, the struggle is precisely the same.
But then, I don’t know of sources in the EOC which are saying that “being gay” is a sin, only that engaging in sexual acts outside of sacramental marriage is a sin. So, I think that one can acknowledge the struggle, accept that without God’s radical grace it is unlikely to ever go away, but still understand that — just like everyone else — you have an obligation to live a chaste life.
So, I think I would compare SSA more to alcoholism than to blindness. Blindness may in fact be a consequence of The Fall, but there’s no culpability in being blind (John 9). Alcoholism is also a disease, also a consequence of The Fall, but it is a disease which comes with culpability. If I know I am an alcoholic, I _cannot_ drink. Even if I go 20 years sober, I am _still_ an alcoholic. There is no known cure, there is only “living sober”. The point isn’t to somehow stop having the “condition”, only to not fall into the act of will which triggers the consequences.
But even better, I’d compare it to being straight. Straight men can fall into lust just as easily as someone struggling with SSA — and there is no difference between the two. There’s no real need to compare SSA to anything or to make it out to be “something special”. At the end of the day, it isn’t anything “special”. We all have our struggles. In some ways, a big obvious struggle is a blessing. Many of my sins are not quite so easy for me to see and may go unrepented and unresisted for decades.
I think Fr. Hopko’s writing and speaking on the subject are about as correct as can be. It isn’t about “being straight” it is about being chaste.
If you haven’t heard this lecture, please check it out, it is fantastic.http://ancientfaith.com/specials/orthodox_institute_2012_culture_morality_spirituality/dr._philip_mamalakis_gender_as_icon_and_vocationI confess that I find phrases like this troubling: “For me loving my neighbor means accepting them for where they are at.” But, I admit that the reason for this is that our wider culture uses phrases like this to mean “don’t judge” not in the Biblical sense of not condemning people, but in the sense of pretending that right and wrong are a purely personal matter. I think I am beginning to see that you don’t mean it that way, but I would (gently) encourage you to avoid language that the secular culture uses around this topic — especially language popular with the LGBT community which wants to insist that Christianity is teaching “hate” simply because we insist that sex is a moral issue just like every other aspect of human life."
By George WeigelThe Marriage Debate III: the nature of things
Jan. 30, 2013 - Cardinal Francis George of Chicago is, arguably, the most intellectually accomplished bishop in the history of the American episcopate. Earlier this year, when the Illinois Legislature began to consider changing state law to “accommodate those of the same sex who wish to ‘marry’ one another” (as the cardinal put it), Professor Dr. George gave the readers of his column in the Chicago archdiocesan newspaper a lesson in metaphysics—and, I suspect, a high-voltage intellectual jolt:
“Sexual relations between a man and a woman are naturally and necessarily different from sexual relations between same-sex partners. This truth is part of the common sense of the human race. It was true before the existence of either Church or State, and it will continue to be true when there is no state of Illinois and no United States of America. A proposal to change this truth about marriage in civil law is less a threat to religion than it is an affront to human reason and the common good of society. It means we are all to pretend to accept something we know is physically impossible. The Legislature might just as well repeal the law of gravity.”
The crucial term here is “naturally.” And if people were shocked by the cardinal’s suggestion that a same-sex “marriage” law would be as fatuous as a statute repealing the law of gravity, it’s because our philosophically-challenged culture has lost any grip on what “nature” means, beyond that physical world we venerate through such civic rituals as recycling.
There is little sense of the givenness of things, in the 21st-century postmodern West. And where there is no culturally-affirmed conviction that some realities simply are, there will be a parallel intuition that everything is fungible, plastic, malleable: anything can be changed by an act of will. The legal ne plus ultra of this cultural phenomenon came in 2007, when the Spanish government allowed Juan to become Juanita on his/her national identity card by simply declaring (absent any surgical alteration) that he was now she. Cardinal George was suggesting, correctly in my view, that same-sex “marriage” is the same, essentially incoherent denial of givenness manifest in Spain’s Law 3/2007.
In his Christmas address to the Roman Curia last December, Pope Benedict XVI raised similar issues. We deplore the “manipulation of nature” today “where our environment is concerned,” the pope noted; but when it comes to human affairs, human “nature” has become a matter of our “choice.” Which means that we no longer experience ourselves as unique composites of matter and spirit. The “matter” of our humanness is mere ephemera; we are merely, as Benedict put it, “spirit and will.”
Who are the big losers, the pope asked, when societies and cultures lose their grip on the reality that “man and women are complementary versions of what it means to be human”? The family is certainly a loser: for if there is no “duality of man and women” that is accepted as the Way Things Are, than “neither is the family any longer a reality” established by anything other than our willfulness.
The biggest losers, though, are children, the pope argued. If children are simply a lifestyle choice in a “family” that is nothing other than a willed arrangement for mutual convenience, children lose their rightful place and their rightful dignity. Citing the chief rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim, Benedict argued that children are, in this bizarre new world, no longer the subject of rights. Rather, “the child has become an object to which people have a right and which they have a right to obtain.” The freedom to be creative, which finds its most awesome expression in procreation, has been reduced to the freedom to create myself, however I imagine myself to be.
The marriage debate is thus about more than the legal definition of marriage, although that is serious enough. It’s a debate about whether there are any givens in the human condition, or whether willfulness and self-assertion trump reality at every point. If they do, what happens to democracies built on self-evident truths?
George Weigel is Distinguished Senior Fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C. Weigel’s column is distributed by theDenver Catholic Register, the official newspaper of the Archdiocese of Denver. Phone: 303-715-3215.